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Intro: 0:00
The Basics: 1:45
The Precursor Problem: 6:06
The Olivet Discourse Problem: 19:28
The 2 Thess Problem: 40:23
The Revelation Problem: 58:59
The Imminence Problem: 1:18:29
The Same Time Problem: 1:44:04
The Early Church Problem 1:55:39
Outro / Credits: 2:13:32
SEALED IN CHRIST 
Ohhhh yes, we HAVE seen this!! I didn’t realize until I clicked on it to start watching it! They did a good job on this. Thank you so much for sharing! 💖💖
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Excellent video. Zion’s Hope also has a major stake in Pre-Wrath, pre-tribulation rapture. My studies have led me to see the rapture taking place just at the beginning of, or, during the 6th Seal. Zion’s Hope (Marvin and David Rosenthal) see this event at our about the 7th Trumpet. Keep up the great work!
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Yes, this is a really great video. So glad you were able to watch it. I completely agree with you on the timing of the rapture being at the 6th Seal. I wasn’t certain what you’re view was on that, so I’m glad you shared. As for Zion’s Hope, I’ve always known them to teach the rapture taking place at the 6th Seal, with God’s wrath beginning at the 7th Seal. In fact, I just took a look at their site to confirm that. I’d be curious to know where you’ve seen them teaching the 7th Trumpet view.. perhaps it’s a view they held in the past? In any case, thanks so much for stopping by and sharing your thoughts!
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Zion’s Hope (David Rosenthal) teaches on this. In his video “”Rapture and Wrath – Part 3, the sealing of His saints”, David clearly says, “Before God’s wrath rains down upon a sinful and unrepentant earth during the Day of the Lord, 144,000 Jews will be sealed for protection, and the faithful followers of Jesus Christ will be gloriously raptured”. Then again, at the 3:42 point, David makes it very clear that the rapture takes place during or at the end of the 6th Seal. SO, YES. THE 6TH SEAL.
Then, In their newest video, “Wrath and Rapture – Part 4c”, at the 7:42 mark through the 8:28 point, David seems to say that the rapture will take place just before The Day of the Lord, at the end of the Trumpets and tells why he holds that position. I believe that is in contradiction with Matthew 24:29-31. But, perhaps I misunderstand what he is saying (which is likely the case).
David also asks a question relating to those still alive on earth at or around the 7th Trumpet, “are these the ones whose lives were not written in any book and came to faith at that point?”. But, Revelation 9:20, at the end of the 6th Trumpet / the beginning of the 7th Trumpet, says, “The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.”
But, once again, perhaps I misunderstand what he is saying.
I have been following, first, Marvin Rosenthal teachings, since 2006. I bought and taught on his book, “The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church”, in our church. Still, I have so much to learn.
In conclusion, I do believe David teaches as you have said.
LET’S REMAIN IN HIS GRIP!
Mike
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Thanks for these references, Mike. I’m going to listen and get back with you!
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Hi Michael. I have finally listened to the portion of the video ‘Rapture and Wrath – Part 4c’ that you mentioned above. It appears David was speaking of the rapture coinciding with the ‘Feast of Trumpets’ and not the Seventh Trumpet in Revelation. Many who are prewrath believers, hold this view. I prefer to wait and see. In listening more to David, he makes it clear that he does indeed believe in a 6th Seal Rapture. Your thoughts?
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Funny thing. I have listened (and re-listened) to 2 of David’s more recent videos, and he makes it very clear that he believes & teaches the rapture is at and during the 6th Seal.
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Yes, that’s my takeaway too! Have a blessed Thanksgiving. 🙂
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Hi Dee, thought I’d stop by and was glad to see you sharing the new pre-wrath/pre-trib film. I’ve watched it all and can say they did a great job on it. thanks for posting the breakdown of it. i will copy that as i know some are put off by the length of it.
I wasn’t aware you were in the FB pre-wrath group, so am I. 🙂
Blessings,
Brenda
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Hi Brenda! It’s great to hear from you! Thanks for stopping by. Yes, they did a great job on the video. So glad to hear you’re in the FB group. I’m actually one of the admins, so you may see me post now and then. I’ll look you up and say hi!! Blessings to you too. ❤️
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Yes indeed suffering-for-Christ IS an honour and, like martyrdom-for-our-faith, a “badge of honour” even. Yet how often do we hear the Words of Christ, relevant to such realities, preached these days? (e.g. “DENY self” “Take up your cross and follow Me” “In this world you WILL have tribulation.”)
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Amen! And yes, you are so right that we rarely hear those words of Christ preached. It seems mostly what we hear instead are reasons why God would never allow us to suffer. Or that we should live our best lives now. As nice as that sounds, it’s just not in keeping with the Scriptures.
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Thank you so much for your thoughts, Bryan. I have no doubt these gentlemen have seen this film. If they do respond it is not necessary to share their response with me, as I am already familiar with their viewpoint. Instead I hope that you pray for God to give you understanding as you watch the film and read His word. Blessings to you, Bryan!
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Thanks Dee. Shalom/God bless+++
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Shalom to you, Bryan.
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Thanks very much Dee.
I’ve had a good go at watching this very well-made (and doubtless well-argued) film, but confess that i soon found myself well out of my eschatological depth, so to speak.
What i’ll do however is forward it on to established Bible scholars i occasionally send questions to, in the hope that they’ll respond (Pastor Derek Walker of the Oxford Bible church, Dr. A. Fruchtenbaum, founder of Ariel Ministries and Amir Tsarfati of “Behold Israel” ministries.) If so, then i’ll gladly forward those responses onto you.
Shalom/God bless,
Bryan.
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Thank you, Dee. I look forward to watching. Blessings.
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Hi Fran! I’d love to hear your thoughts once you’ve had a chance to see it. 😊 God bless!
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Thanks for this, Dee! I watched this. I thought they did a good job. I especially appreciated the part of Israel and the Church. I used to be Pretrib; however, I have been moving in the direction of midtrib or Prewrath. How’s your sabbatical?!
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Thanks for watching, Mandy! I’m so glad you appreciated the film. I thought they did a great job also, though I’ve only been able to watch about half of it so far. I hope to finish it up today.
I also used to be pretrib, but it never really made sense to me based on the timeline of events given in Matthew 24 and other places. The gyrations of making everything fall into place were very troubling for me and I couldn’t understand why God would make it so difficult, when He obviously went out of His way to make these things known. After all, the entire book of Revelation was written specifically to believers so they could know what to expect. So, how does that work when things are seemingly so impossible to understand?
I eventually became very frustrated with the whole thing and stopped reading the parts of the Bible that had anything overtly to do with eschatology for quite some time. Then I decided to put away everything I’d been taught and just read through the New Testament without my preconceived thoughts and I was shocked at the things I began to notice about the layout of events in prophecy.
I won’t go into all of it here, but suffice it to say that I am now a very strong believer in the Prewrath timing of the rapture. And I can’t help but warn people to reconsider their notions of being rescued out of here before it gets bad. Unfortunately, many will be disillusioned and fall away when they realize they may have to suffer before Christ returns for His church. But I hope to be prepared spiritually for this coming time. And if perhaps we are rescued prior to it, I will be joyously grateful!!
Maybe I’ll write a post on my conversion from pretrib to prewrath. 🙂 God bless!
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That would be a GREAT post, Dee! People need to hear this! My struggle with Pretrib rapture was that Jesus does not say nor pray for us to be kept from persecution. Jesus tells us to plan and expect persecution and to pray to endure our sufferings. I also agree people are going to fall away and that is heartbreaking. May we be like Job and learn to suffer well (God is giving us plenty of opportunities right now). I never thought about the timelines in the ways the video did and Dee, I am so glad they did because they make sense! I also do NOT think God is done with national, political Israel so I appreciated how Prewrath fits with that as well. Thank you, Dee, SO much for taking the time to respond! Love and blessings pretty lady!
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You’re so right. Jesus, as well as the NT writers, tell us to expect suffering. The problem is that we Westerners have not experienced very much of it, which makes it so easy for many to grasp hold of the pretrib viewpoint. But the fact is, Christian have been suffering persecution around the world for centuries, why would we think it should be any different at the end of the age? So many today see suffering as a bad thing, but those who have suffered have actually considered it an honor.
I am convinced that if a person will read through the New Testament continually and prayerfully, without regard to what they’ve been taught or any preconceived ideas about this subject, they will see the truth. And once they’ve seen it, they’ll wonder how they ever missed it. Love and blessings back to you! ❤️
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Considering Job lived before or during the time of Abraham, in my opinion that means God dealt with human suffering from the beginning. Before God even made his covenant of land, seed, blessing with Abraham, the Lord told us how to respond to suffering. You are so right about the Western World. So thankful for you heart for the Truth!!!
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Agreed. And really, wasn’t Abel the first to be martyred for his faith? His sacrifice was better than Cain’s because he understood and obeyed God’s requirements. And although Cain also understood, he didn’t obey and instead struck Abel down in jealousy and anger because his sacrificed was accepted by God and Cain’s wasn’t. And don’t we see the same thing going on today?
God determines the parameters of how we must come to Him and that’s what the world hates. And so they hate Him. And by extension, they hate us.. just as Jesus said they would. And so goes the cycle. Suffering is inherent in the life of the Christian. “Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” 2 Timothy 3:12. And as you said earlier, “May we be like Job and learn to suffer well.”
Blessings Sister. Love in Christ. ❤
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Thank you Dee.
I will be watching this video. Interested in how it’s presented . (Although I am one of those pre people 😃)
Blessings to you
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😂 Glad you’re willing to watch. I’ve watched about half so far, but I think it’s pretty well put together. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts. Blessings to you too!
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Thank you I will let you know my thoughts .😀
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Thank you so much for this video Dee. Now I understand the difference between pre trib and pre wrath positions. There were questions I had regarding the pre trib position, (specially when reading certain passages in the Bible) that this video has helped me understand. Now I am moving in the direction of pre wrath..
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Blessings Dee.
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And to you. ❤️
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That’s great news Crissy. I actually stumbled onto the pre-wrath position before it was very known, because of my questions about what I was being taught versus what the Bible said. For the most part, I couldn’t reconcile the two. I believe the pre-wrath position is the one that incorporates and fits with the plain meaning of scripture as a whole.
If you’re interested in learning more, I can recommend a couple of books that I think do a great job of teaching the related scriptures and clearing up some of the confusion surrounding eschatology. I’m also an admin on a Facebook page that is very grounded in the Scriptures and is a great place to ask questions and learn. Let me know if you’re interested in either and I will send you the links.
God bless!
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Yes please Dee send me the links .
Thank you so much 😊
God’s peace.
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Hi Crissy, here are the links:
The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church, by Marvin Rosenthal:
https://store.zionshope.org/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50
The Sign, by Robert Van Kampen:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1079634.The_Sign
The Prewrath Rapture View Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/prewrathraptureview
Just a word of warning.. The Sign is an excellent and well-respected book. It’s very easy to understand, though a long read. There is a part however, in which the author speculates that Hitler will be resurrected to take his position as the Antichrist. It’s unfortunate that the author insisted on adding this, as it is his private speculation and I believe it has slightly discredited that part of the book. However, aside from that, the book is my favorite of all the books on the prewrath view and is a popular read by those who are looking for a more thorough book on the subject.
Let me know if you have any trouble with any of these links or if you have any questions. Please also feel free to PM me @ sixthsealministries@outlook.com. Blessings!
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Aww thank you Dee. Blessings !
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I should also add that when you join the fb group, you will be asked some questions from the group. That’s standard for everyone. Just answer those and you’ll be good to go. Have a great day!
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I have requested to join. Thank you so much Dee. The Lord has used you to take the guilt away.
Blessings sis
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Great, I’m glad you’ve joined! They usually approve pretty quickly. 🙂 I’m honored that God has used me in your life. God bless you, Sister.
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